[BWD] Chimaeron HC 25

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[BWD] Chimaeron HC 25

Post by Fagan » Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:29 pm



Get prepared for this one next guys.
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Re: [BWD] Chimaeron HC 25

Post by Caireann » Sun Jun 05, 2011 6:32 pm

Syrah made a nice post in Chima’s healing strategy here: viewtopic.php?f=57&t=12380 but since it’s not only about healing I decided to elaborate a bit here, and add some new ideas :)

1. Due to the fight being a dps race in Phase 2, it’s useful to have a melee dps (either Ret pally with Righteous Fury or Frost DK in Blood Stance) to tank the boss, and having Tank A taunt it for the double attack, and tank B (aka the “fresh” tank) taunting it for the Feud. While the Bot is on, the boss won’t be able to kill the tanking person anyway, so not being crit immune is not a problem.

2. As Syrah mentioned, we’re having around 5 second before Tank B takes first melee hit during Feud, so we’re either use a Lay on Hands rotation, or make druids and shammies use their Nature Swiftness + biggest heal rotation while running to the collapsing point. Additionally, tank A will require a CD rotation (PS, GS, Hand of Sac+bubble, tank cooldowns).

3. The tactic with sorting groups by their used ID is a nice one, and can help out with topping people up after Massacre, however Slime is still a RNG-based case and every second of hesitation can cost our lives, therefore: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addo ... arker.aspx looks like a great addon to simply assign one healer to a specific mark. Low health debuff is refreshing slower (at least on VuhDo) than those marks (and I hope everyone is having marks showing on their frames), so… I’d really like to see if that’s going to help us out. At least we're going to be 100% sure that everyone Slimed is taken care of.

4. Divine Guardian, disco’s Barrier, and Aura mastery (it’s shadow dmg) helps a lot on last phase and should be used continuously (calling out when it finished to pop sth new helps a lot). Plus, if we had any Discos Shield spamming + Innervates would be the way to go. If we had two of them, it’d be a paradise… but, eh ;)

5. I’ve read somewhere that popping Mirror Images after tanks and melee dying makes Chima go crazy chase them first, leaving players to live a little bit longer. It’s worth checking out :)

6. Everyone should use their Healthstones and pop every healing cooldown they have to help out top the raid BEFORE pushing Chima into last phase - when we go into it we HAVE TO have everyone at 100% hp.
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Re: [BWD] Chimaeron HC 25

Post by Mazimus » Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:27 am

Sorry about the DC, Dudes. <snip> Internet started getting all funky >_<

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Re: [BWD] Chimaeron HC 25

Post by Syrah » Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:10 am

Because no one reads the healing posts, not even the healers:

Tank healing HC:

http://www.cannotbetamed.com/2011/04/15 ... he-timing/

1. When we group up (i.e when bil o tron is offline) and feud is knocked offline you will get a fresh MT or 'break' tank. This tank needs to be at as near as possible to full health when he/she taunts. You have 5 secs before he/she takes a melee swing.

2. Again during feud, " the OT (or Double Attack tank) will be taking a double attack and a hit from Caustic Slime right around the same time. They will need a damage reduction cooldown, there’s no way around that. They will also need to be close to full health beforehand."

The OT is always the DA tank he never changes, he takes DAs before, after and during feud.

The MT or 'Break' tank changes as we go into feud - there wil be a rotation of MTs - be aware!

Further viewing and reading:
http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.php? ... -Chimaeron
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Re: [BWD] Chimaeron HC 25

Post by Caireann » Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:15 pm

There was a lot of confusion on our first Chima fight, and it would seem some people weren’t really prepared when it comes to tactics. Too many questions and uncertainties to be covered before the pull, with half the raid waiting for our assignments.

Basing on our tonight’s setup I’ve prepared an example of an assignment sheet with additional instructions, for which there’s not enough time during the raid to explain. It basically covers the 5 major points we need to remember when assigning ppl to their tasks.



1) Healing assignments:

Phase 1 (spread out)
Syrah: Alaedon
Alegria: LB on Aladeon + ffa
Moolly: G1 + slimed skull
Wolfsong: G2 + slimed cross
Rubedo: G3 + slimed square + beacon on Alaedon
Cecille: G4 + slimed moon + beacon on Alaedon
Templaar: G5 + slimed triangle + beacon on Lith/Vrug

Phase 2 (collapse)
Syrah: G4
Alegria: G5
Moolly: G1
Wolfsong: G2
Rubedo: G3 + beacon on Alaedon
Cecille: Vrug/Lith + beacon on Alaedon
Templaar: Alaedon + beacon on Lith/Vrug

Why? Druids work best when placed on tank healing in the phase where the rest needs to top up players quickly above 10k – we have already tested the marking strategy and apart from healing your own groups before the massacre, we are specifically assigned to certain marks – even if there are two of them in your group, you simply know it’d be safe. It also prevents overlapping.
On the collapsing phase we’re switching tank heals, since druids are simply amazing with aoe heals, and paladins can trigger their AoE even while spamming big heals on both of the tanks. We’re reverting back again after the feud.


2) Lay on Hands rotation:
1 – Templaar (on Vrug)
2 – Rubedo (on Lith)
3 – Cecille (on Vrug)
4 – Gizmo (on Lith)
5 – whoever can do Nature Switfness + biggest heal (on Vrug)

When? When the Bot goes offline and we run to stack up, the break tank (Vrug/Lith) is again prone to dmg. We’ve got ca 5 s before the boss starts attacking (hard!) so the tank needs to be topped off, hence the LoH rotation. The break tanks switch every other feud, so it’s important to know which tank is going to taunt off the boss – they say it on the vent tho, so it shouldn’t be a problem.


3) Cooldown rotation:

1 – Alaedon (Divine Protection)
2 – Alaedon (Guardian of the Ancient Kings)
3 – Templaar (Hand of Sacrifice + Divine Shield) on Alaedon
4 – Rubedo (Hand of Sacrifice + Divine Shield) on Alaedon
5 – Cecille (Hand of Sacrifice + Divine Shield) on Alaedon

When? While we’re stacked up when the bot is offline, the OT can die to a Double attack followed by slimes damage. The healing is hectic, so cooldowns are essential. First two can be provided by the tank, so that he has them ready for the Phase 3 (when no healing is possible and mitigating as much dmg as possible is very helpful).

Break tanks should also help the healers out by using their own cooldowns on themselves while tanking the boss during the time bot is offline. Thank you!


4) Tranquility rotation:
1 – Litha
2 – Lopho
3 – Alegria
4 - Syrah

When? During our stackup when the bot is offline. Any DPS should do Tranq first, so that it should be ready again when we heal up before we push the boss into phase 3. Healers can heal strongly anyway, but DPSes should help out whatever they can, this includes also Divine Hymn and Healing Rains from Ele/Enh. Dps should also use their own self heals, bandages and defensive cds such as barkskin during the stack up phase.


5) Phase 3 damage mitigation

1 – Alaedon (Divine Guardian)
2 – Templaar (switch to Resistance Aura + Aura Mastery)
3 – Rubedo (switch to Resistance Aura + Aura Mastery)
4 – Cecille (switch to Resistance Aura + Aura Mastery)

Why? During phase 3 we don’t receive any healing, therefore mitigation as much as we can is essential. The aura that deals us damage is Shadow, and can be reduced by Aura Mastery, which should be popped one after another to avoid overlapping.


All in all, this fight is basically about pushing right buttons in the right moments. It may be hard to remember the order, but being vocal may help us a lot with that. We can do it! :)
I hope for tonight’s raid if we paste any assignments it’ll be all clear. Any additional thoughts...? Did I forget about anything?

And remember, it was just an example! :P
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Re: [BWD] Chimaeron HC 25

Post by Lithasola » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:42 pm

I can probably squeeze out a tranquility on a stackup/fued phase after Vrug taunts from me. If u want another AoE heal that is :)
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Re: [BWD] Chimaeron HC 25

Post by Caireann » Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:28 pm

That's a great idea, thanks Lith :) Forgot you could do that while Vrug's tanking.
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Re: [BWD] Chimaeron HC 25

Post by Aicha » Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:58 am

) Tranquility rotation:
1 – Litha
2 – Lopho
3 – Alegria
4 - Syrah
Turn these around, so that resto tranquilities are used first - since a resto tranq only has a 3 minute cd, it means it can be used just before the mortality phase begins.
This goes for the first two druids using tranquility.
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Re: [BWD] Chimaeron HC 25

Post by Alaedon » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:51 am

Caireann wrote:3) Cooldown rotation:

1 – Alaedon (Divine Protection)
2 – Alaedon (Guardian of the Ancient Kings)
3 – Templaar (Hand of Sacrifice + Divine Shield) on Alaedon
4 – Rubedo (Hand of Sacrifice + Divine Shield) on Alaedon
5 – Cecille (Hand of Sacrifice + Divine Shield) on Alaedon
some update on Cooldown rotation from tonight try:
1- Divine protection alone don't save you 90% tank will die.. better to start on stack with raid wall .. 2-3 seconds befor DA pop Divine Protection + Ardent Defender + Holy Radiance taunt and you will be ok
2-Guardian of the Ancient Kings if you have 4 Tier set pop from the start if not .. w8 untill 3 sec befor DA to pop it
3-with Templaar (Hand of Sacrifice + Divine Shield) use your Divine Protection and Holy Radiance
4-5 same as 3
that what i was doing all night you can keep pop Holy Radiance at everystack but you may have mana problem
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Re: [BWD] Chimaeron HC 25

Post by Lithasola » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:08 am

things to think about -

This may have beaten the 2 % wipe -
We ran with 7 healers to cover the intense fued phase healing, and used two tanks. Because of the mechanic preventing any player from being one-shot as long as they are over 10k, we opted to have a DPS DK tank as long as Finkle's mixture was up. The other tanks tanked him during fued phase and soaked double attacks during Finkle's Mixture. This increased our DPS output with no change in healing requirements.
Also this may be the reason for tanks mysteriously dying even tho saves and CDs were being popped in time -
Chimaeron will Fued for only two seconds, then revert back to meleeing his primary aggro target and continue to stack break. To handle this, you'll want a tank with no stacks of break to pick him up. Your raid will still go without Finkle's mixture until the next Massacre, so you need to have your raid stack up to soak the poison vomit just like on normal mode. Your tank should stand away from the raid to prevent the vomit from hitting him as well.
Please note that your tank needs to be topped up in the two second window following the massacre that knocks bile-o-tron offline. We rotated Guardian Spirit and Lay on Hands to ensure he wouldn't be gibbed by a quick melee.
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